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		<title>By: In Case of Emergency</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-2/#comment-880</link>
		<dc:creator>In Case of Emergency</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with not surviving an emergency landing. When I was a kid I would sometimes voice my fears to my mother—not those, exactly, but others: our house catching on fire, our dog being stolen in the middle of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good heavens! Thanks for the brief, yet oh-so-lovely, transport!  I needed it.   :)    Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good heavens! Thanks for the brief, yet oh-so-lovely, transport!  I needed it.   <img src='http://www.annhandley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-4066</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good heavens! Thanks for the brief, yet oh-so-lovely, transport!  I needed it.   :)    Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good heavens! Thanks for the brief, yet oh-so-lovely, transport!  I needed it.   <img src='http://www.annhandley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: GiGi Delay</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>GiGi Delay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, nothing makes you think about your parents more than having kids of your own.  I enjoyed the profile of your mom and share the same experience of being booted out of the house each morning with threats of &quot;If you come in, you&#039;re staying in!&quot;  I often think our parents didn&#039;t obsess about all the things we obsess about as parents, but who knows?  Maybe they did, but just about different things.  I do agree with others&#039; comments about the different ways our kids are growing up with play dates and organized sports as opposed to neighborhood baseball games that went past dark.  Ann, great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, nothing makes you think about your parents more than having kids of your own.  I enjoyed the profile of your mom and share the same experience of being booted out of the house each morning with threats of &#8220;If you come in, you&#8217;re staying in!&#8221;  I often think our parents didn&#8217;t obsess about all the things we obsess about as parents, but who knows?  Maybe they did, but just about different things.  I do agree with others&#8217; comments about the different ways our kids are growing up with play dates and organized sports as opposed to neighborhood baseball games that went past dark.  Ann, great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: GiGi Delay</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>GiGi Delay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, nothing makes you think about your parents more than having kids of your own.  I enjoyed the profile of your mom and share the same experience of being booted out of the house each morning with threats of &quot;If you come in, you&#039;re staying in!&quot;  I often think our parents didn&#039;t obsess about all the things we obsess about as parents, but who knows?  Maybe they did, but just about different things.  I do agree with others&#039; comments about the different ways our kids are growing up with play dates and organized sports as opposed to neighborhood baseball games that went past dark.  Ann, great stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, nothing makes you think about your parents more than having kids of your own.  I enjoyed the profile of your mom and share the same experience of being booted out of the house each morning with threats of &#8220;If you come in, you&#8217;re staying in!&#8221;  I often think our parents didn&#8217;t obsess about all the things we obsess about as parents, but who knows?  Maybe they did, but just about different things.  I do agree with others&#8217; comments about the different ways our kids are growing up with play dates and organized sports as opposed to neighborhood baseball games that went past dark.  Ann, great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-686</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I came back from a business group meeting last night and listened to the first-time mom of a six-month old talk about the importance of her mommy group (This was not just ANY moms, she wanted to make sure we knew. This was a jd/mba/md/phd crew). 

With a slightly frantic quality in her voice, she said that, were it not for this mommy group, she would not have known that she HAD to have this toy or that toy, this product or that product for her child...or...well. She felt so “thankful!” for the group (while my own reaction at the description was to feel cell-bound).

I was exhausted listening to the jd/mba/md/phd new mom as she described almost desperately trying to choose the “right” toy for her child so they would both &quot;belong.” (And I wondered, could she be the product of helicopter parents, herself? Could she be substituting this moms’ group for micro-parenting that she misses?).

That brief view into the new moms’ group made me feel relieved to be at the stage when we have almost navigated the whitewater rapids of daily parenting, and, at times, the whitewater rapids of other parents’ opinions. (Our children are a 24-year-old daughter who is feeling her way through the early career-building years and a 16-year-old newly licensed son who is getting ready to choose his college, his portal on the work world soon). 

As I drove home I felt a great deal of gratitude that my mother taught me to make toy giraffe decisions on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I came back from a business group meeting last night and listened to the first-time mom of a six-month old talk about the importance of her mommy group (This was not just ANY moms, she wanted to make sure we knew. This was a jd/mba/md/phd crew). </p>
<p>With a slightly frantic quality in her voice, she said that, were it not for this mommy group, she would not have known that she HAD to have this toy or that toy, this product or that product for her child&#8230;or&#8230;well. She felt so “thankful!” for the group (while my own reaction at the description was to feel cell-bound).</p>
<p>I was exhausted listening to the jd/mba/md/phd new mom as she described almost desperately trying to choose the “right” toy for her child so they would both &#8220;belong.” (And I wondered, could she be the product of helicopter parents, herself? Could she be substituting this moms’ group for micro-parenting that she misses?).</p>
<p>That brief view into the new moms’ group made me feel relieved to be at the stage when we have almost navigated the whitewater rapids of daily parenting, and, at times, the whitewater rapids of other parents’ opinions. (Our children are a 24-year-old daughter who is feeling her way through the early career-building years and a 16-year-old newly licensed son who is getting ready to choose his college, his portal on the work world soon). </p>
<p>As I drove home I felt a great deal of gratitude that my mother taught me to make toy giraffe decisions on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-4064</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I came back from a business group meeting last night and listened to the first-time mom of a six-month old talk about the importance of her mommy group (This was not just ANY moms, she wanted to make sure we knew. This was a jd/mba/md/phd crew). 

With a slightly frantic quality in her voice, she said that, were it not for this mommy group, she would not have known that she HAD to have this toy or that toy, this product or that product for her child...or...well. She felt so “thankful!” for the group (while my own reaction at the description was to feel cell-bound).

I was exhausted listening to the jd/mba/md/phd new mom as she described almost desperately trying to choose the “right” toy for her child so they would both &quot;belong.” (And I wondered, could she be the product of helicopter parents, herself? Could she be substituting this moms’ group for micro-parenting that she misses?).

That brief view into the new moms’ group made me feel relieved to be at the stage when we have almost navigated the whitewater rapids of daily parenting, and, at times, the whitewater rapids of other parents’ opinions. (Our children are a 24-year-old daughter who is feeling her way through the early career-building years and a 16-year-old newly licensed son who is getting ready to choose his college, his portal on the work world soon). 

As I drove home I felt a great deal of gratitude that my mother taught me to make toy giraffe decisions on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I came back from a business group meeting last night and listened to the first-time mom of a six-month old talk about the importance of her mommy group (This was not just ANY moms, she wanted to make sure we knew. This was a jd/mba/md/phd crew). </p>
<p>With a slightly frantic quality in her voice, she said that, were it not for this mommy group, she would not have known that she HAD to have this toy or that toy, this product or that product for her child&#8230;or&#8230;well. She felt so “thankful!” for the group (while my own reaction at the description was to feel cell-bound).</p>
<p>I was exhausted listening to the jd/mba/md/phd new mom as she described almost desperately trying to choose the “right” toy for her child so they would both &#8220;belong.” (And I wondered, could she be the product of helicopter parents, herself? Could she be substituting this moms’ group for micro-parenting that she misses?).</p>
<p>That brief view into the new moms’ group made me feel relieved to be at the stage when we have almost navigated the whitewater rapids of daily parenting, and, at times, the whitewater rapids of other parents’ opinions. (Our children are a 24-year-old daughter who is feeling her way through the early career-building years and a 16-year-old newly licensed son who is getting ready to choose his college, his portal on the work world soon). </p>
<p>As I drove home I felt a great deal of gratitude that my mother taught me to make toy giraffe decisions on my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wolk</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-659</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- somehow missed this one and just saw it now as I came to read the post you put up yesterday.

There&#039;s a great book by Neil Howe and William Strauss called &quot;13th Gen: Abort, Retry or Fail?&quot; that does a great job of outlining many of the issues that shaped child-rearing in the 70s and made it different than many other eras (http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650)

In a nutshell, we (and I am around your age, although the oldest of all my cousins) were the abandoned generation - the solid suburbs of the fifties and sixties were crumbling and things like divorce and women returning to work, plus an ongoing recession. meant that kids were no longer the focus of what was going on in America. We were secondary at some level. Which meant that we had a great deal of freedom and a whole lot of beta or even gamma moms. Not too many alphas.

I find the lack of downtime in my kids lives a bit troubling. A lot of lessons were learned trying to sort out a pack of 20 kids into two kickball teams without any adults around. That doesn&#039;t happen anymore.

But returning to the 70s, I was watching &quot;Bad News Bears&quot; (the original) with my son the other day. He thought it was a very racy movie, what with the cursing and drinking and fairly frank sexual discussions. And it struck me that I was around his age when that movie came out and it was just another kids movie at the time. Nothing notable about the raciness of the content.

That about sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- somehow missed this one and just saw it now as I came to read the post you put up yesterday.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great book by Neil Howe and William Strauss called &#8220;13th Gen: Abort, Retry or Fail?&#8221; that does a great job of outlining many of the issues that shaped child-rearing in the 70s and made it different than many other eras (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650</a>)</p>
<p>In a nutshell, we (and I am around your age, although the oldest of all my cousins) were the abandoned generation &#8211; the solid suburbs of the fifties and sixties were crumbling and things like divorce and women returning to work, plus an ongoing recession. meant that kids were no longer the focus of what was going on in America. We were secondary at some level. Which meant that we had a great deal of freedom and a whole lot of beta or even gamma moms. Not too many alphas.</p>
<p>I find the lack of downtime in my kids lives a bit troubling. A lot of lessons were learned trying to sort out a pack of 20 kids into two kickball teams without any adults around. That doesn&#8217;t happen anymore.</p>
<p>But returning to the 70s, I was watching &#8220;Bad News Bears&#8221; (the original) with my son the other day. He thought it was a very racy movie, what with the cursing and drinking and fairly frank sexual discussions. And it struck me that I was around his age when that movie came out and it was just another kids movie at the time. Nothing notable about the raciness of the content.</p>
<p>That about sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wolk</title>
		<link>http://www.annhandley.com/2008/06/08/beta-before-alpha/comment-page-1/#comment-4063</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wolk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow- somehow missed this one and just saw it now as I came to read the post you put up yesterday.

There&#039;s a great book by Neil Howe and William Strauss called &quot;13th Gen: Abort, Retry or Fail?&quot; that does a great job of outlining many of the issues that shaped child-rearing in the 70s and made it different than many other eras (http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650)

In a nutshell, we (and I am around your age, although the oldest of all my cousins) were the abandoned generation - the solid suburbs of the fifties and sixties were crumbling and things like divorce and women returning to work, plus an ongoing recession. meant that kids were no longer the focus of what was going on in America. We were secondary at some level. Which meant that we had a great deal of freedom and a whole lot of beta or even gamma moms. Not too many alphas.

I find the lack of downtime in my kids lives a bit troubling. A lot of lessons were learned trying to sort out a pack of 20 kids into two kickball teams without any adults around. That doesn&#039;t happen anymore.

But returning to the 70s, I was watching &quot;Bad News Bears&quot; (the original) with my son the other day. He thought it was a very racy movie, what with the cursing and drinking and fairly frank sexual discussions. And it struck me that I was around his age when that movie came out and it was just another kids movie at the time. Nothing notable about the raciness of the content.

That about sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow- somehow missed this one and just saw it now as I came to read the post you put up yesterday.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a great book by Neil Howe and William Strauss called &#8220;13th Gen: Abort, Retry or Fail?&#8221; that does a great job of outlining many of the issues that shaped child-rearing in the 70s and made it different than many other eras (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/13th-Gen-Abort-Retry-Ignore/dp/0679743650</a>)</p>
<p>In a nutshell, we (and I am around your age, although the oldest of all my cousins) were the abandoned generation &#8211; the solid suburbs of the fifties and sixties were crumbling and things like divorce and women returning to work, plus an ongoing recession. meant that kids were no longer the focus of what was going on in America. We were secondary at some level. Which meant that we had a great deal of freedom and a whole lot of beta or even gamma moms. Not too many alphas.</p>
<p>I find the lack of downtime in my kids lives a bit troubling. A lot of lessons were learned trying to sort out a pack of 20 kids into two kickball teams without any adults around. That doesn&#8217;t happen anymore.</p>
<p>But returning to the 70s, I was watching &#8220;Bad News Bears&#8221; (the original) with my son the other day. He thought it was a very racy movie, what with the cursing and drinking and fairly frank sexual discussions. And it struck me that I was around his age when that movie came out and it was just another kids movie at the time. Nothing notable about the raciness of the content.</p>
<p>That about sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Vicky H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicky H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My thinking is that Beta mom&#039;s have always been out there, but in the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s there wasn&#039;t as much communication, tv, and media.

Now with the internet, blogs, ecommerce, we are much more aware of things that our parents were.  They saw Leave It To Beaver and Mary Tyler More and that was it.  They were sold a carefully crafted media and marketing vision of what &#039;they should be&#039;.  

I think that Beta mom&#039;s were pioneers of their day, much like the Mommy Bloggers of today.  There are talk shows, reality tv, and so much other media that shows us that there are so many kinds of people out there and although we are carefully marketed to in this day and age, we are much more likely to challenge that &#039;perfect world&#039; scenario when it is presented to us.

I don&#039;t think mommy&#039;s have changed, I think our access to information has changed.

Love this post!

Vicky H</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thinking is that Beta mom&#8217;s have always been out there, but in the 70&#8242;s and 80&#8242;s there wasn&#8217;t as much communication, tv, and media.</p>
<p>Now with the internet, blogs, ecommerce, we are much more aware of things that our parents were.  They saw Leave It To Beaver and Mary Tyler More and that was it.  They were sold a carefully crafted media and marketing vision of what &#8216;they should be&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I think that Beta mom&#8217;s were pioneers of their day, much like the Mommy Bloggers of today.  There are talk shows, reality tv, and so much other media that shows us that there are so many kinds of people out there and although we are carefully marketed to in this day and age, we are much more likely to challenge that &#8216;perfect world&#8217; scenario when it is presented to us.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think mommy&#8217;s have changed, I think our access to information has changed.</p>
<p>Love this post!</p>
<p>Vicky H</p>
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